Having a good laugh

Posted 12/24/19

I looked over the Dec. 18th article on the front page titled “Hundreds Rally For Impeachment” and had a good laugh as these people have no clue.

The count was likely inflated. This …

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I looked over the Dec. 18th article on the front page titled “Hundreds Rally For Impeachment” and had a good laugh as these people have no clue.

The count was likely inflated. This impeachment represents an unprecedented and unconstitutional abuse of power by Democrat lawmakers, unequaled in nearly two and a half centuries of American legislative history.

The Articles of Impeachment introduced by the House Judiciary Committee are not recognizable under any standard of Constitutional theory, interpretation, or jurisprudence. They include no crimes, no misdemeanors, and no offenses.

Speaker Pelosi, admitted at a public forum that the impeachment effort has been going on for “two and a half years,” long before she ever heard about a phone call with Ukraine. This impeachment drive has nothing to do with Ukraine, or the totally appropriate conversation with its new president. It only has to do with a DNC attempt to undo the election of 2016 and steal the election of 2020. Before the impeachment hoax, it was the Russian witch hunt.

Our founders feared the tribalization of partisan politics, and democrats are bringing their worst fears to life. Let’s get the facts, 14 presidents have had impeachment investigations. None of them were removed from office. Nixon Resigned.

Our last President, Obama and his administration, did gun running to Mexican drug lords (Operation Fast & Ferrous) and it’s reported that those guns killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and one U.S. Border Patrol Agent. Then we have the failure to reinforce the Embassy in Libya and the refusal to send a rescue mission allowing terrorist to murder four Americans. Then they lied about the reason for the attack. These are indeed very high crimes. These are really grounds for treason!

And that adequately sums up this farcical proceeding.

Gary H Price
Port Ludlow

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Gary Novak

I support Republican efforts to fight President Trump's impeachment and keep Mike Pence from becoming our president. When we have a man in office better than George Washington or even Abraham Lincoln, why should we switch? Pence is so unimaginative as to have only one wife! We need a moral leader like Trump to guide us. Our president has shown his benevolence towards chain immigration in his own family. Has Pence done that? Pence goes to church on Sunday so never gets out with the real people on the golf courses. Trump treats veterans, women, the disabled and minorities how faithful Republicans know they should be treated. Pence just stands by and changes the subject. No, Trump is the man we want setting the examples and leading our children in to the future. All faithful Republicans can agree on that.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
Justin Hale

Gary N. Your comments are predictable and vacuous, you confuse snarkiness with wisdom.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
Justin Hale

Gary P.

Exactly right. I heard the Democrats come to the impeachment podium and talk about how solemn the act of impeachment is and then I see these Trump-haters gathered in PT with their impeachment signs and most of them looked anything but solemn. This entire impeachment has been a sham, all about throwing krap at the POTUS in the hopes they will swing a few votes their way. In my case they have turned a Bernie Sanders voter in 2016 to a Trump voter in 2020. My voting history has been Independent to Democrat-leaning but no way in hel will I reward the Democrats and the biased agenda-driven MSM for their non-stop attacks against the POTUS.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
TomCamfield

I'm still waiting for Trump-lovers to admit to the fact that their basic objection is to helping those in need.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
David Thielk

Justin, I see you are still taking the same strategy as many of the conservative Christian right! As long as Trump is pro life, and anti immigration, it does not matter what the nature of his character is. Nor does it matter that he has demonstrated a complete inability to understand the Constitution. (We won't mention that lying is a sickness for him.)

True, the Democrats have been talking about impeachment since before he was inaugurated. With good reason. Had I been involved in writing articles of impeachment, I would have started with the ten counts of obstruction of justice detailed in the Mueller Report. I would have added the reckless use of racially charged language throughout his presidency. I would have added illegal use of campaign funds to bribe for the silence of his bed partners so as to prevent loss of votes from his Christian base. And finally, I would have added violation of the Emoluments clause, as he has successfully profited from his real estate holding. All of this was evident to any thinking, rational person early on.

Regarding the economy? There is nothing positive that has happened in the past 3 years that was not firmly established in the eight years prior. And, his tax cuts and huge spending increases will come back to haunt us severely during the next president's tenure. The corporate sector has used their tax "windfall" to increase their own stock holding (thus driving the stock market up to record highs). Vert little of that has "trickled down" to working people. But for working, middle class folks, housing is more difficult to obtain than ever.

So, while you continue to blast away at democrats for bad mouthing the negative aspects of Trump's tenure. you really can't seem to offer anything positive, either. You seem blindly, or dogmatically opposed to any kind of critical analysis of Trump. You imply we are all haters. You suggest that he was "fairly elected" and should be protected from any criticism, implying that we always disliked Trump. We did, actually. And I most disliked him because of the racist birther lie that he pushed on a sitting president. Where were you when Trump was criticizing Obama, using a common racist inference about birth place? I did not hear you saying "Obama deserves our respect" He was fairly elected." Your inconsistency is glaring. Your positions are ideological. You appear to be a cult follower.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
Gary Novak

I strongly support Republican efforts to take more mouths off of Food Stamps. I know the Left considers Food Stamps as "Revolution Insurance." The Left thinks people will not let their children go hungry while cigarette companies receive subsidies. The Left assumes the hungry will protest or even raid those warehouses mentioned in the Bible where so much grain is stored. But good Republicans know that those who do not work hard enough and long enough each day should not eat. That is Natural Law. There will never be a revolution. It can't happen here.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
Justin Hale

David T.

I'm not a Christian and yes, I'm probably more conservative than you, although I never considered myself a 'conservative" I'm not opposed to abortion, if I had my way I'd sterilize everyone at birth and they could only procreate after proving that they are capable of parenting, and I'm not anti-immigration, I'm anti-ILLegal immigration.......but go ahead and make your assumptions, sorry if reality gets in the way of your penchant for labeling others.

As far as Trump understanding the Constitution, he's probably right in there with the majority of Americans.

"I would have added violation of the Emoluments clause".....Maybe you haven't heard but Trump turned over the management of his holdings to his Son, and by the way, President Trump has taken no Presidential salary since he took office. Are you suggesting that all Presidents should be forced to liquidate all of their financial holdings before they can take office? Tell me one POTUS that has.

And you are wrong when you assert " increase their own stock holding (thus driving the stock market up to record highs). Vert little of that has "trickled down" to working people." .....Nonsense, how many working people have pensions that are tied to stocks? My wife has been an RN for 30+ years at a major hospital in the area, her retirement portfolio has a lot of investment in stocks. Also, didn't the tax cut reduce the federal withholding from workers' paychecks?

You say..... "the Democrats have been talking about impeachment since before he was inaugurated. With good reason." Then you say."You suggest that he was "fairly elected" and should be protected from any criticism, implying that we always disliked Trump. We did, actually." ...... Be honest, the Trump haters were there before he was even elected. I knew he was a loud-mouthed jerk a long time before he was elected, but as the duly elected POTUS I have supported him, as I support every POTUS, even the ones I didn't vote for or liked. And I didn't really care much about the "birther" nonsense, I voted for Obama and I think he did a fairly decent job.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
Dave Thielk

Jimmy Carter did. Also, it makes no difference who is managing his business. What matters is that he is profiting in his businesses in hid decisions as president. And, of that, there is no question.

Your assessment of the "economy" is trivial and not relevant. Homelessness is on the rise. The gender wage gap has not budged under Trump. The number of those without health insurance has gone up by 7 million since Trump took office. Black home ownership is at an all time low. 100,000 students who thought that they were going to be eligible for loan forgiveness (prior to Trump) have discovered that the current administration is not cooperating and fulfilling past promises. They have spent 10 years with debt, and will continue. Changes in "real wages' started long before Trump was elected - like the economic growth, he is simply riding the wave of progressive reforms. The GINI index has increased under Trump, which means that most of the economic changes observed in the past 3 years have gone to the already wealthy. Regarding your wife's portfolio, I would suggest she move it somewhere else quickly. The equity markets have, over the long term, has averaged about 8%. If your wife has not figured it out yet, Trump has passed policies that specifically cause the stock market to bubble. Bush did the same thing. In the end, it will average out to 8%. per year. That is not economic development. Healthcare costs are beginning soar again (as a result of Trump policies. And, we all know that housing is off the charts. So, you can gloat about a temporary bubble in the stock market. But that is not economic development, by any stretch.

If you did not like Trump using the fake conservative media to push the racist birther lie, I don't recall you objecting at the time. Perhaps I missed something. But my question remains the same - why is that you continue to call all of us who are willing to undertake critical analysis of Trump haters, when Trump is one of the biggest haters of all time? He consistently calls people traitors, liars, rapists. Seems like you have a double standard.

Tuesday, December 24, 2019
Justin Hale

"If you did not like Trump using the fake conservative media to push the racist birther lie, I don't recall you objecting at the time. "..... I don't think I was on this forum at that time.....

Wednesday, December 25, 2019
Gary Price

The liberal/progressive/democrat does not care and will never care about what Obama's Team (Obama, Hillary Clinton,& Eric Holder) have done. They are responsible for deaths and murders.The U.S Libya Embassy where 4 Americans were murdered during a terrorist attack and nothing was done to assist. Matter of fact reinforcements were refused by Hillary and that is "Aiding And Abetting The Enemy" which is TREASON; and that is a very high crime and requires impeachment. Eric Holder ran and sold guns to drug cartels which are really terrorists as the kill and murder at will on both sides of the border. Those traced guns are responsible for the murder of a hundred or more Mexican citizens and a U.S. Border Patrol Agent. Gun running is a federal crime and is also Aiding & Abetting The Enemy.

David Thielk brings up the birther investigation Trump launched. Well, Obama's records were all sealed by his lawyers. WHY? And why did he file for student aid as an oversea student? Nothing David says holds water and he thinks everyone with college debt should be forgiven. These people took money from the taxpayer to attend college and the democrats with their debt forgiveness are just buying votes with that. To give someone something free it has to be taken from someone else, and its the citizen taxpayers.

The real haters are the ones we saw rioting in the streets, attacking people, setting fires, etc. They were ultra liberal, progressive, democrat mobs.

We have a good strong president in Trump. Obama & Hillary fail to protect & rescue American in the Libya Embassy and Carter did the same in Iran years ago. He delayed & delayed then decided to go during dust storm season against Military Advisers, and American military members lost their lives. As soon as Ronald Reagan was sworn in as President those hostages were released. We don't need or want weak people in public offices that do not defend Americans or Support our U.S. Constitution.

Monday, December 30, 2019
Gary Novak

I agree with Gary Price and faithful Republicans. The worst thing we can do in this country is make it easier to get an education. We cannot expect to keep electing Republicans if people get educated.

Monday, December 30, 2019
Justin Hale

Once again Gary N. fails to understand that Snarkyness does not equal wit.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Gary Novak

Justin, we should get together to share our concerns in person. We could meet at any local eatery. I'd be the guy in the " I Heart Haiti" shirt. Haiti doesn't put up with environmental regulations or labor laws or campaign rules. Police brutality is not a crime down there. Building codes don't exist. It is Republican heaven! You'd be the guy at the table with a bag over his head to protect his anonymity. (Is that snarky?)

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Justin Hale

Not likely Gary, so far you haven't impressed me that you can form a cogent argument.

Tuesday, December 31, 2019
Gary Novak

Wherever I go I try to get people to support President Trump. It was easy in rural Kentucky. They blamed Obama for killing coal although they lost those jobs twenty years ago. In Appalachia they want their churches, with government enforcement, to tell you who you can kiss. They want their churches, with government enforcement, to control young women's bodies with advanced search and seizure. In Port Townsend Trump is a hard sell. People here want clean air and water. They enjoy diversity and strive for equal rights. At least we have some excellent writers on this site to remind us of Republican's historical grievances. That works well with young people who never heard of Benghazi but are concerned with climate change and college loans. I think we can turn this state around and make it more like Kentucky if we really try.

Wednesday, January 1
Justin Hale

Gary N. wrote "Wherever I go I try to get people to support President Trump."...... Straight-up lie, and a pretty good reason why, other than this forum, I won't waste my time on you.

Wednesday, January 1
T0m Camfield

I really like Gary's style! He gets to the heart of things in very few words.

Thursday, January 2
David Thielk

Gary Novak: I have been trying to get Justin Hale to have a cup of coffee with me for a couple of years. But he doesn't seem to be interested in getting out from behind the safety of his keyboard and engage in true discourse that is not connected to the internet (and all of the conservative media). Perhaps we should renew our efforts, and the three of us could meet! Regarding snarkiness - I really enjoy your snarkiness. It pretty much demonstrates a deeper level of understanding, and makes me laugh at the same time. Keep it up!

Saturday, January 4
David Thielk

Gary Price - Regarding free college tuition - yes, I do support affordable college. For several reasons. But one that you might relate to is this: The more educated are our citizens, the more money they will earn, and the more taxes they will pay. Ultimately, they will contribute far more back to the government and the economy than it cost to get them educated. There are many, many other reasons.

Of course, there are those that put their blinders on when it comes to thinking about the economic benefits of a highly educated population. Some folks believe that college is the birthright of those that have the money. That is, the college degree becomes a way of placing people into an economic pecking order. Another way of saying it is "If someone has the money, then they are ENTITLED to a college education." I often hear the term "entitlement programs" tossed about. I often reflect on this notion of entitlement, and how it relates to wealth. Wasn't there a scandal recently in which a number of wealthy celebrities committed fraud because they felt they were entitled to get their kids into the university of their choice, rather than play be the rules.

Rage on, Mr. Price.

Saturday, January 4
David Thielk

Justin Hale - you may call Gary Nowak snarky, but his comment on education and voting has a pretty strong basis in reality.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/11/education-gap-explains-american-politics/575113/

Saturday, January 4