Still looking for a win | Tom Camfield

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Why are Donald and his supporters making the transition to the Biden administration as difficult as possible, while Biden continues to plead the cause of ”our fellow Americans”—more …

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Still looking for a win | Tom Camfield

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Why are Donald and his supporters making the transition to the Biden administration as difficult as possible, while Biden continues to plead the cause of ”our fellow Americans” — more than 330,000 of whom have died so far from the coronavirus? How many of these citizens, and how many more will die in the winter months ahead — merely because Donald sees no personal need to wear a mask  . . .  and golfs regularly with the likes of Lindsey Graham rather than tending to the job of president for three more weeks? 

How precise must the cause-and-effect be before we call it what it is?

Here’s another headline that shows where Donald’s mind is while people are dying and scrambling for food and warmth all around him: “Trump vetoes $740 billion U.S. military bill over clause to rename bases honoring confederates.” — The Independent

“Donald Trump has vetoed the massive annual US military bill outlining the Defense Department’s budget. The lame duck president cited his opposition to a clause in the bill to rechristen 10 military bases named for Confederate figureheads . . .”

It may or not have been somewhere in his self-aggrandizing mind the picture of himself as a main-gate statue at some new Space Corps installation. I did see at some point that he’d floated the idea of naming a military installation after himself.

(More next time.)

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Justin Hale

The majority of Americans do not support changing the names of military bases, Trump was right to oppose that portion of the NDAA. How about telling us what were some of his other reasons for vetoing the act.

Friday, January 1
Tom Camfield

Go right ahead.

Friday, January 1
Justin Hale

Kind of a moot point since Congress overturned his Veto.

Friday, January 1
Tom Camfield

We’re chasing a small mind here. He’s been big on military statues ever since he measured himself for one that didn’t include bone spurs.

Who has determined your claim that “The majority of Americans do not support . . .”

Donald’s attitude became obvious Aug. 11-12, 2017, at Charlottesville, Va. when he saw “very fine people on both sides.” Wikipedia writes that “The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist rally” . . . Protestors to the proposed removal of a Robert E. Lee statue included self-identified members of the alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, white nationalists, neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen and various right-wing militias . . . who chanted racist and anti-semitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags and other symbols of various past and present anti-Muslim and anti-semitic groups.

Peace advocate Heather Heyer has been dead for more than three years now, killed when one of Trump’s “very fine people” drove his car into a crowd, injuring 19 others. Much more is written on this and other web sites.

Saturday, January 2
Gary Novak

Republicans have a right to be upset. Evidently some Republican Governors, all the Supreme Court and many Chinese, arranged to have Republican votes counted in Germany on fixed machines, giving the election to President Elect Biden.

Saturday, January 2
Marge Samuelson

History is a funny thing, as Napoleon said "History is a set of lies that people have agreed upon.". "Even when I am gone, I shall remain in people's minds the star of their rights, my name will be the war cry of their efforts, the motto of their hopes." Napoleon is one of the most written about rulers in the world. Some admired him but many did not.

"an enlightened despot who laid the foundations of modern Europe" or "a megalomaniac who wrought greater misery than any man before the coming of Hitler".[Hastings, Max (31 October 2014). "Everything is Owed to Glory". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on 13 November 2014.]

As usual it depends on which book your reading.

As to Statues, they come in go, I had an ancestor who killed a group of Indians who had captured her and the town put up a statue to her for it. Do Native Americans agree?

The Civil War affected a lot of people, and I don't believe Jeff Davis should be given one because he was a traitor to the United States. He made his choice and is doomed to forever be remembered as a traitor. The confederate soldiers that died in battle fought an unjust war and also were traitors. I had ancestors on both sides. On the confederate they were left alone and continued their lives, eventually spending the time to rebuild the South as it was before the Civil War. Reconstruction. The Union soldiers waited years for their pensions, more died of disease than battle wounds, or returned to their lives with terrible wounds and physical problems.

Next time you decide to give information, please give a source Just in Hale. Do we really need statues to remind us of the horror of war.

Military bases should honor people who served their country honorably. Not Traitors.

Sunday, January 3
Justin Hale

Tom,

"Who has determined your claim that “The majority of Americans do not support . . .”

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/503579-poll-majority-of-americans-oppose-changing-military-bases-named-after

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/divisions-emerge-renaming-military-bases-reparations-amid-unrest/story?id=71326039

"Donald’s attitude became obvious Aug. 11-12, 2017, at Charlottesville, Va. when he saw “very fine people on both sides.”.....

"Former Vice President Joe Biden wrongly claimed President Donald Trump has “yet once to condemn white supremacy, the neo-Nazis.”

Trump drew criticism for his condemnation of “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides” after a rally organized by a white nationalist in Charlottesville in 2017, and for saying there were “very fine people on both sides.” But, contrary to Biden’s claim, the president twice specifically condemned white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and he has repeated that condemnation since."

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/trump-has-condemned-white-supremacists/

Thanks for once again proving my point of biased media.

Sunday, January 3
Justin Hale

MS,

"and I don't believe Jeff Davis should be given one(statue) because he was a traitor to the United States.".....and George Washington was a traitor to the Crown.

At the risk of being labeled by some as a supporter of "alt-right, neo-Confederates, neo-fascists, white nationalists, neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klansmen and various right-wing militias" I will say that in the war between the States there were good people on both sides.

Sunday, January 3
Tom Camfield

An NPR report on July 24: “The Republican-controlled Senate on Thursday overwhelmingly passed a defense appropriations bill that calls for renaming U.S. military bases that honor Confederate officers — a provision that President Trump has threatened to veto.” The Senate vote was 86-14.

But it’s true, Jason: the Hill poll of June 19 does show that “Fifty-six percent of Americans oppose changing the names of military bases named after Confederates and 42 percent of those surveyed support the move.” However, you might pause over involving “The War Between the States” in the discussion.  

The same poll showed that “among Black Americans, 67 percent of those surveyed are in favor of renaming Confederate bases, while 32 percent of white Americans and 54 percent of Hispanic Americans support the move.”

Incidentally. my wife and I had direct ancestors—I with great, great grandfather Bradford Camfield (Michigan) and she with great grandfather Noble Bacchus Westall (North Carolina) on opposing sides during one of the battles at Winchester, Virginia, during that “War of 1861,” as it is described on an ID tag of the day.

The second poll you cite (ABC News in June) states, “While 56% are opposed to changing U.S. military bases named for Confederate leaders, which stand as a reminder of the nation’s complicated history with race, 42% of Americans support the move.”

Sunday, January 3
Gary Novak

Nancy Pelosi was just re elected as Speaker of the House. There will be no recount because it was unanimous. Pelosi is ready to step in as President if President Trump and his pals can cancel the election. She would serve her country well until a new election could be held. Cool!

Sunday, January 3
Marge Samuelson

And when they re-phrased the question to ask "would you approve of sending statues to museums" The answer was yes they preferred it. I would love to see those statues used as a teaching tool, not in a public place but in schools. When people have to think about why something is named for a particular person, they can learn the real history of our country. With all it's flaws. But glorifying the South by presenting statues of Robert E. Lee, and other traitors is just wrong without a history lesson on why they were traitors.

You know, Just In Hale, you want to call George Washington a traitor to the the crown, I would say more he was a traitor to women, slaves, Native Americans, and people who couldn't vote because they did not own property.

Trump is trying to coerce Georgia for not finding votes that show him as the winner. Is Donald Trump a traitor, well yes he is.

As to the majority of Americans not supporting renaming military bases, tearing down statues. I would say, how many years was it before the general public supported removing slavery from our country, giving Native Americans their rights as first citizens of this country, women the right to vote and the right to choose what they would do with their own bodies? Equal pay?

Four year of Trump and what do we have to show for it. Racism, lies, a narcissistic personality that has done absolutely nothing to make our country, or other countries a better, safe place to exist.

So we will move on and probably sweep this administration under the rug, but he will be brought out now and then to show the wrong way to run a free country.

Sunday, January 3
Justin Hale

I guess according to Marge almost every President we've ever had was a traitor....

" Racism, lies, a narcissistic personality that has done absolutely nothing to make our country, or other countries a better, safe place to exist.".....Spoken like a true Trump-Hater.

About moving on, do you think the MSM should hold Biden to the same scrutiny, miss-quoting and taking out of context they have with Trump? I doubt they will, they already seem to be giving him a pass for his involvement with his Son's business in China and Ukraine, we will see.

Monday, January 4
Marge Samuelson

If you doubt he is a traitor did you listen to his phone call with the Secretary of State of Georgia, begging him to find some votes to make him win? Pathetic man. If their were other traitors go ahead and let me know. For now the only one that affects me is Donald Trump. Just not ready to give up on your hero Just In Hale?

Monday, January 4
Justin Hale

MS, show us where President Trump begged the SOS Georgia to do anything illegal or unconstitutional. FYI there were other contested elections in our history. ( https://time.com/5903361/contested-election-history/)

Marge, you've already admitted that you "Never said there were no fraudulent votes counted but they did not cause Trump to lose." And exactly how do we know that for sure?

As I've said before, I think Trump should take his millions and his trophy wife back to Florida and enjoy the rest of his life at Mar-a-Lago, but if he chooses to contest the election, within the constraints of the law and the Constitution, I will not call him a traitor.

Monday, January 4
Marge samuelson

Traitor definition: "a person who betrays a friend, country, principle, etc."

1. one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty

2 : one who commits treason

Trump phone call to Georgia Secretary of State

During the conversation, the president repeatedly asked Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) to "find" more than 11,000 ballots needed to overcome the gap between Trump and Biden in the state, thereby flipping the state in his favor. (by the way you can listen to the phone call, it's everywhere or is this just fake news in your mind Just In Hale) I think his comment on "find" more ballots in Trumps favor is a threat. Trump thinks he has some power over this person but he really doesn't.

He thinks he has power over Pence, There were two ballot recounts in Georgia's November's 2020, Biden came out the winner. Trump now says if Pence doesn't help him win when the electoral college is certified he "won't like him so much." but Trump lost, so why would Pence lie for him? I believe Trump to be a traitor by instilling in people the fear that their vote didn't count, for calling an elected official of his own party, to try to convince him that he should "find" those non-existent votes that would give him Georgia's electoral votes.

This is about the Republican party. It's time for them to let go of Trump and figure out just what happened to their party.

I think Trump will be spending more time in New York Courts that at Mar Largo. As a matter of fact they don't want the Trump family either. (non-residency rules, he signed).

As to fraudulent votes, each state certifies their vote count, swing states were watched by Republicans and Democrats who agreed there was no credible proof of fraud.

Tuesday, January 5
Justin Hale

"As to fraudulent votes, each state certifies their vote count, swing states were watched by Republicans and Democrats who agreed there was no credible proof of fraud. "..... As I said before MS, you can recount an illegal vote a thousand times and it's still a fraudulent vote, these recounts do not check for the legality of the vote. If someone gives you ten one-dollar bills and one of them is counterfeit do you have $10?

Tuesday, January 5
Marge Samuelson

Off the subject but I just heard from a reliable source that there was a man at Sequim Home Depot walking around the store open carrying a gun and without a mask. People were mostly ignoring him, guess now one wants to confront a person about not wearing a mask when he has a gun. I guess that's one way to get people to distance themselves. And yes, Just In Hale I know we have open carry laws in this state.

Tuesday, January 5
Justin Hale

There are times and places where being armed is appropriate, a major box store is not one of them. I do carry my gun when I am out hiking on our property, we live out in the woods and there are Cougars and Bears out there. Sometimes I do get the "stink-eye" from other hikers, that's their problem, better to have and not need than to need and not have.

Tuesday, January 5
Marge Samuelson

If you didn't go into the woods with the cougars and bears you wouldn't need a gun.

Tuesday, January 5
Tom Camfield

I remember elections back to the ‘30s and have participated in Presidential elections for 60 years (starting when one had to be 21) and the word “fraudulent” never became popular, as I recall, until this year—although gerrymandering and voter suppression by Republicans have become more and more of a regular thing in modern times. There was quite a to-do over the “hanging chads” of 2000, but Al Gore was a Democrat and a gentleman, and life moved on with George W. Bush heading our country for the next eight years.

The difference all of a sudden? A narcissist incumbent who can’t admit he’s a loser, never has been a true winner or pubic champion, is not liked by a majority of the public. An individual who has polished lying to an art throughout his life. A large segment of the public who actually had bragged about supporting his “style” . . . who now also are eager to appear as some sort of winners for society rather than losers willing to overcook the inconvenience of ever-present lies in the self-service of their lives.

Incidentally, he will not be allowed legally to ensconce his pompous self at Mar-a-Lago. He signed away that right. He’ll be more likely to wind up up somewhere with bars on the windows.

Tuesday, January 5
Tom Camfield

Oops! Make that "For 70 years . . ." Time moves more swiftly than one realizes (and I'm down to one eye at a time as I pick at these keys nowadays).

Tuesday, January 5
Gary Novak

Tom, This feels like Christmas morning!

Wednesday, January 6
Justin Hale

Brilliant solution MS. I've been going out in the woods since I was a child and I will until I can't walk. I'll leave the sheltering in my house clutching my mask to others.

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Tom, whether you recall or not fraudulent and illegal voting has existed for years.

Wednesday, January 6
Marge Samuelson

I have been walking in the woods where I live for some forty years and have seen a few cougars, but never a bear. The cougars went their way and I went mine. Of course I had my dog with me. Predators don't care for dogs. I never have taken a gun with me.

Now if your off in the Olympics that's were you find predators. They aren't as shy as around here. There are lots of deer to eat in this area & domestic animals.

The comment was more of a joke, but of course you didn't get it. Guns aren't the solution to everything.

Now the predators that have invaded the White House could use a few dogs to round them up so the capital police can put them in jail where they belong. Wonder if it would take so long if the majority of these "Proud Boys" were black? But, you will make excuses for them & Trump. No surprise there.

Wednesday, January 6
Justin Hale

MS,

Who said those who invaded the Capitol were "proud boys"? I haven't heard that, where did you get that? I have heard the biased MSM refer to them as "Trump supporters" .....Really? How does the biased MSM know what they are? From our experience here on the west coast with riots/civil disorder, occupations and killings the violence comes from "antifa" nihilists, not Trump supporters. I don't care whatever they are, if they broke the law they should be held to account.

Wednesday, January 6